What is EpicScale.exe?

i spotted that app thanks to Piriform CCleaner and removed it thanks to Revo Uninstaller Pro.
i don't know what EpisScale is good for, but i didn't install that sh## and i don't want it. i suppose it came with instalation of µTorrent.

# 24 Dec 2014, 15:55

I ll remove it because 1st) I didnt install it
2) it use a fair amount of cpu

# 3 Jan 2015, 7:06

hi i am usising win7 on my hp laptop since 4 year geniune version.now i got a pop up says C:\programData\EpicScale /46995.dat is either not design to run on Windows or it contains an error.try reinstalling... so what i do what can i do now please help. what is the thing i need to reinstall to fix it got the pop up every time its so harasing..please help

# 23 Jan 2015, 8:54

Hello, I'm Alexander, One of the founders of Epic Scale. Using the standard uninstaller from Add / Remove Programs Should Epic Scale Completely remove from your computer, treats including files under "Program Files", "Program Data" and registry keys. We do leave behind one registry key, Which is a random UUID. We need this ID to give proper accounting to our distribution partners in case you decided to re-install.

We do not collect personal information or install any adware. The software is flagged by some AV since we do bundle a cryptocurrency miner which is used by the network when waiting for additional research jobs.

@Roger Karisson - You can download a copy of Epic Scale from our site if you'd like a copy http://www.epicscale.com/, or feel free to contact me directly to discuss it, or have any questions about our charity work.

Thank you.

# 5 Feb 2015, 15:12

I got it when I installed uTorrent...So, delete :)

# 9 Feb 2015, 5:01

Hello, i installed uTorrent and i got it. Some of u know , that this program has virus or something? Why that offert is on uTorrent.

# 12 Feb 2015, 7:49

I also got it with the utorrent and my panda protection detected a malware in it. I also had problems to ed its process, so... deleted too

# 13 Feb 2015, 11:01

Hi, i also got same epicscale virus while downloading the torrent from internet. I used your freefixer software and it removed it successfully. Thanks :)

# 15 Feb 2015, 22:52

Same here, got it with uTorrent. It will not uninstall from my W8.1 laptop. I'm open to advice on how to remove it??
Not overly impressed with getting something I never asked for, uTorrent was duly removed succesfully..

# 19 Feb 2015, 2:08

Nick,

Go to add/remove programs and remove Epic Scale if you wish to uninstall it. We don't interfere with the uninstall process - removing it here will fully remove the software from your computer.

Feel free to contact us support@epicscale.com if you're having any trouble. We would be happy to help.

Thank you.

# 20 Feb 2015, 3:56

Alexander,

Please ****. Your software is a virus and your company is making money over the backs of charity. Seriously, **** you.

# 20 Feb 2015, 14:36

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Regarding the charity work: We do truly donate a large portion of our profits to charity, monthly. You can see some of our charity partners within the new client interface. We hope to grow and have massive impact for Immunity Project, Watsi, and others while advancing research through this computing resource.

# 21 Feb 2015, 13:03

Alexander: that may be so, but how do you justify the silent (unrequested) installation and the (again, silent) inclusion of a cryptocurrency miner 'when waiting for additional research jobs'? You cannot be surprised that people object to these two points and regard the software as a virus as a consequence.

I hope you reply but I suspect you won't.

# 22 Feb 2015, 6:48

Hi,

i don't know but m getting the pop up every second which says EpicScale .i m trying to remove it but m not able to do that. I did all possible things but m still getting that pop up and says failed to connect to server. Try again.. i dont know what to do please help.

Regards
Sneha

# 22 Feb 2015, 10:46

I have got this after installing utorrent today, so removed it easily by going to "add/remove programs" in control panel.

Didnt like the silent install and so I removed it. If it requested to be installed, may be i would have left it on, but it didnt! And so, it has to go.

Sneha, you can also do the same and uninstall. google "uninstalling a program on windows 7/8"

Cheers,
Leo.

# 22 Feb 2015, 19:11

i think Epic scale is a virus, i ran a scan with norton security, and it turns out there was a trojan virus

# 22 Feb 2015, 21:38

@Mark

Thanks for your comment.

We don't do silent/hidden installs. We advertise via our partners and an advert is shown in their process. We also have significant organic growth and we hope to expand that moving forward.

The cryptocurrency miner isn't silent or hidden either - in fact it is mentioned on our site in the "How is money earned?" section (epicscale.com - we are working on a redesign). Our promise to the user is that we can generate meaningful proceeds for charities via the install while respecting their privacy (no adware/spyware). We prioritize research on the network, but there is sometimes not enough work. At the core, cryptocurrency mining is a decent source of revenue that isn't malicious - pure computation.

I understand the concerns with privacy and concerns about if any of the money truly goes to charity. We are working on some ways to address these issues. As I mentioned in some previous posts, we do not try to prevent uninstalls - the process is the same as any other program. If you are having difficulties, we would be happy to help or hear your feedback (support@epicscale.com).

Thanks again.

# 23 Feb 2015, 3:51

What happens to my pc when Im not using it? Ummm I turn it OFF so it lasts longer.
Also it sounds like this program is actually ON while people are trying TO USE their pc, not just when it's idle, which is a huge problem.
I noticed Epic Scale was one of the "offerings" by a program I was installing. I think some people are unaware or think it's a "virus" because far too many just click "ok" when they are installing an application instead of actually *reading* what is being installed on their pc.

Also I was considering installing "Epic Scale" until I read that only a "portion of profits" goes to charities.
Your "FAQ" is seriously lacking, Id think that should be THE #1 question that is answered.
The fact that it hasnt been addressed from the get go leaves me very suspicious.
Id seriously need to know how much of Epic Scale's profits go to charities, as well as proof, like tax returns and such.
Until then this is something I would never install on my pc.

# 25 Feb 2015, 14:32

@Amber

Thanks for your feedback. We do use the PC at a low level when it's in use. Many users only use a fraction of their computation resources (email, Microsoft word, etc.) If the user is trying to do something intensive, we stop running. Users can disable this functionality or enable it in the application.

Regarding the charity stuff - yes I completely agree. The portion is high. We are working on getting "proof" and exact details out as well as a complete site redesign with more information for the FAQ and other technical details.

Thanks again,

Alexander

# 25 Feb 2015, 14:53

I have a pop up every minute or so, (on line or not) telling me that epic scale 'failed to connect to server'! I never downloaded Epic scale and I can't get rid of it! its not on my program list! so how do I get rid of this annoyance??

# 26 Feb 2015, 6:31

im use Freefilxer but dident find EpicScale help

# 27 Feb 2015, 2:02

EpicScale CPU usage 96.5

http://prntscr.com/6af61p

# 27 Feb 2015, 2:48

@Davie

I have brought the "failed to connect to server" issue you're having up with our team and we're investigating it.

Thank you.

# 28 Feb 2015, 0:55

@Alexander

So tell me How much can i earned, when epicscpae will be running 6h per day?

# 28 Feb 2015, 4:59

This is a bloatware, adds your pc to a botnet and uses up all your bandwidth. Even you cant uninstall it with the default add./remove programs. And the betterment of people thing is a lie.

# 2 Mar 2015, 3:40

I have satellite internet which is limited to 20 gigs a month. How can you justify a stealth install which uses my limited bandwidth?
I did not agree to this and you are directly costing me money because I will have to purchase tokens when my cap is reached.

# 2 Mar 2015, 21:13

@Alexander

Hello, Alexander if you're still there, is there a way to find which "random UUID key" comes from your application? As I am quite sure I will not 'willingly' download your application again I would be happy to know that any tracks of "Epic Scale" is gone.

# 3 Mar 2015, 0:42

Wow, EpicScale is awesome! Yes, I definitely don't use ALL of my computer's resources, so for sure, have fun when not in use.

IN FACT, I live right near your offices in Suffolk County New York and I needed a place to do my office work and I was looking around the city for offices to rent. BUT WHY BOTHER?! Since I only do my work at midnight-4am I will go into EpicScale offices, as it's barely in use, and use your equipment. Don't worry, you don't even have to give me permission, I'll do it anyway! I'll get one of your delivery boys to give me a key, yay!

I love this concept!

# 3 Mar 2015, 20:18

If you're having trouble finding EpicScale, go to C:\ProgramData\EpicScale

Just delete that shit
Nobody wants is

# 3 Mar 2015, 21:50

if epic scale is so great and charitable, it should be more clear about what it is doing and how it works. i have never heard of it, uninstalled the shit. i do enough charity work without being ****** scammed into it.

# 4 Mar 2015, 3:27

Hey Alexander, I suggest you make this software a bit more normal or a little louder. I can see where the "silent installation" is coming from. I understand that other softwares offer Epic Scale as an option for users to install like a... side dish, I guess (i can't find a better word at the moment) as a form of advertisement/promotion or something. I can attest to your claim that Epic Scale's just like any other program that can be removed normally. However, why didn't mine have an uninstall dialog like most programs? I had to open the control panel again to look up the name if it's still installed or not. Granted, the name's gone, but I didn't even notice the uninstallation was done already...

Oh yeah, the gist/ idea of Epic Scale's not that bad, but it still gives a normal person the image of a leech or vulture. Can't you modify the software into a better, more appealing one?

# 4 Mar 2015, 11:58

This is pure bloatware, just updated my uTorrent. There was no notification about the software it just installed.

The only reason I found out about it was that I was playing a game and it was running much slower than usual with constant hiccups.

Took a look at the system resources being used, and there it was, EpicScale64.exe eating up 20% of the CPU constantly.

At first I turned off the process, but another on instantly popped up, tried this three times, what cheek!

I had to go uninstall it in the control panel. And removed the C:\ProgramData\EpicScale to make sure as I don't trust it.

By the way these people sneak their software onto your computer, if anything is going to charity I'm pretty confident it's only a miniscule fraction of what they make from pigginbacking on peoples CPU's and bandwidth. Just to be able to claim that some of it does.

Get rid of this bloatware from your computer!

# 4 Mar 2015, 15:36

@anidict13 - Thanks for your feedback. We would love to hear more about your opinions about how we could make the software better and more appealing. Can we offer you a $20 amazon gift card to talk with us via email about this in more detail?

quality@epicscale.com

Thank you.

# 4 Mar 2015, 18:13

When I updated uTorrent today, an offer to install Baidu Av just pop up. I declined.

I wasn't told nothing about EpicScale! I was alert, This software was simply installed quietly, without even a single checkbox. I wasn't given a chance to decline.

# 4 Mar 2015, 19:30

Same here Marcos. Was very disappointed.

# 5 Mar 2015, 0:17

Agree, noticed the laptop was 'laggy' and then saw the mysterious E in the taskbar. Blamed the kids again but then saw the Utorrent update comments and bingo, me too.

Agree that there was no option to avoid and that's just plain dumb. If Epic Scale is your baby Alexander, and you want it to live and thrive, you need to take a serious look at your partner strategy. 'Coz this one isn't going to cut it in todays market.

# 5 Mar 2015, 1:16

Can someone please clarify for me; If you get this virus crap (Epic Scale) from updating µtorrent on Windows 7, can you remove it completely by going to Control Panel, then Program, and then just uninstall the shit as simply as any other program, and it will not come back again? Is that all you have to do about it?

Is it completely and permanently gone after that? This thread is the only place that seeems to make sense when i Google anything related to that nasty program. I'm thankful for that. (All other sites seem to be as malicious as Epic Scale, offering more viruses to help get rid of the first one.)

Can someone please tell me if there's any hidden crap that was not removed when i uninstalled Epic Scale? What further precautions should i take after this? I would gladly appreciate a reply from anyone, except that turd Alexander. I may not be highly skilled when it comes to computers, but i have managed to survive this far in my life without getting viruses, because i'm not an idiot who will fall for just anything. This crap just caught me off-guard since i thought i could trust µtorrent. Those days are over now.

Thanks in advance.

# 5 Mar 2015, 1:58

funny how i noticed my computer running slowly after updating utorrent, if it werent for that e on the task bar.

as soon as i noticed it i went to control panel and funnily enough my computer crashed. things were looking shady and its obvious someone was watching me so instantly reset my router.

i hope u **** at utorrent are happy,because i certainly wont be updating u in a while, especially when u are bitcoin mining without peoples permission,especially when u are doing it on an "epic scale"

also akecander, cut that bull**** out, ur company is a scam in which the only "charity" is yourself, **** you

please keep everyone aware that this is a scam

# 5 Mar 2015, 2:12

@everyone

I recognize many of you are reporting a silent install. We are going to address this with all our distribution partners and determine what's going on (technical or otherwise).

Thank you.

@Anoonymoovs

That is the case. Uninstall just like any other program - hopefully someone that's not me can confirm this for you.

# 5 Mar 2015, 2:17

Regular uninstall program worked for me on windows 8.1.

# 5 Mar 2015, 3:57

I also got this as a silent install with uTorrent.

Uninstall does not remove all files, there's still ~65MB of .dat files and EpicScale.exe left in ProgramData/EpicScale.

Crapware.

# 5 Mar 2015, 5:00

@Anoonymoovs

The program is removed from the system but some files remain in C:\programData\EpicScale (hidden system folder). Just copy+paste this in explorer and you can simply delete it. A startup key was also left in the registry and Glary Utilities removed this.

I don't care what the software was supposed to do, anything installed without my consent is malicious by default.

# 5 Mar 2015, 5:32

Lawrence, I tried deleting it with that C:\programData\EpicScale, but it won't work and says - the file is still open in EpicScale module. What should I do now. Where can I find that ES module?

# 5 Mar 2015, 7:09

@Lawrence

Thanks alot. I managed to find that hidden folder and successfully got rid of it. I thought i didn't even have it, since it obviously was invisible to me.

I used CCleaner to fix all those registry issues. Hopefully the wicked garbage is gone now. I think so atleast. Thanks once again.

# 5 Mar 2015, 7:16

@Alexsander
I can't find epic scale in my computer, but it send me a messages : Failed to connect to server. Try again ... what should i do to unninstal this program when it is not in my computer ( or where to find it )???

# 5 Mar 2015, 7:58

Got this installed quietly when upgraded U-Torrent. When I arrived home this evening my PC was running at full tilt and practically blowing steam. I felt like it was going to catch fire. Cryptocurrency mining, I understand uses lots of CPU capacity. Don't care much for this sort of thing being installed on my PC without my knowledge or consent. Hope bad things happen to them.

# 5 Mar 2015, 8:20

@Alexander and @Nick
I would like to know the same thing as Nick, urgently please. I get the same message every 15 sec "Failed to connect to server". I have tried to find epic scale program in the Add/Remove programs multiple times and it is not there. And Nick is not the first person to ask this question in this forum.

Alexander,
Please, would you answer people like myself, Nick and others about how we can remove the program in this situation.

# 5 Mar 2015, 10:20

@Dave
@Nick

If you do not see an Uninstaller in the standard Windows Add/Remove Programs, then you must have encountered an installation bug. Try following these instructions:

-Open Task Manager
-Find EpicScale.exe
-Choose "End Process" for all EpicScale.exe processes quickly. There should be two.
-Delete the folder "C:\Program Data\Epic Scale"
-View Task Manager to confirm no EpicScale.exe processes are running.

Thank you.

# 5 Mar 2015, 10:40

Hey ALEXANDER.. GO **** YOURSELF AND DON'T HATE US !
YOUR SW IS BULL****, FOUND MORE THEN 20% BANDWITH USE FROM YOUR SHIT !

GET OUT U ***

DONT'T GVE FAKE INFORMATIONS, YOUR **** EPICSCALE SHIT IS INSTALLED ALSO IN HKEYS REGISTRY.

- Guys I recommend you iobit uninstaller, it will find all the tree with epicscale shit and helps you to remove it manually. More then 90% will be removed after restarting your PC, that shit uses your BANDWOITH for Mainer or other shits, Ping the main server and you will find interesting informations about epicscale..... This is huge virus and came with uTorrent. After restarting your uTorrent you get back your previous version and huge virus ...... **** YOU ALEX, **** YOU

# 5 Mar 2015, 11:44

Jeez
I hope many write on their blogs about this.
I remember opting out everything when I installed from scratch utorrent.
I quit using utorrent.

# 5 Mar 2015, 12:27

Hi,

Just updated uTorrent and it didn't say me anything about that total ****** up 'EpicScale' trash, which constantly keeps popping up with 'Could not connect to server.''.

It's annoying as **** and I can't get rid of it anywhere. How do I delete that trash from my PC?

Best regards

# 5 Mar 2015, 12:31

I can't find it in my C drive or in my control panel to uninstall EpicScale. PLEASE GET THIS OFF MY COMPUTER. Such a waste.

# 5 Mar 2015, 13:10

Reading through the comments of how most users got this EpicScale.exe onto their PC, I can conclude that this "whatever it is" gets onto your pc if you do some downloading with utorrent without an antivirus programme being installed on your pc. I would like to confirm this because many time I have done downloads on my laptop having Avast and have never experienced this error. But now using someone else's PC, I downloaded utorrent and that is when I started receiving this error before installing the antivirus and this error keeps on popping up. My observation is that it is trying to install on the kernel32.dll, which is the dynamic link library found in the Windows operating system. It handles memory management, input/output operations, and interrupts. When Windows boots up, kernel32.dll is loaded into a protected memory space so other applications do not take that space over. Now that I have installed Avast antivirus, it is preventing it from being installed onto the memory. This virus is also identified as kernel32.exe. Please have your antivirus updated and notice the difference between the two. I will come back one I manage to delete it. Shalom!

# 5 Mar 2015, 13:24

-Open Task Manager
-Find EpicScale.exe
-Choose "End Process" for all EpicScale.exe processes quickly. There should be two.
-Delete the folder "C:\Program Data\Epic Scale"
-View Task Manager to confirm no EpicScale.exe processes are running.

# 5 Mar 2015, 13:26

This app is a scam. I did not install it, so definitely I'll remove it.
I think that it was installed with the latest update of uTorrent.

# 5 Mar 2015, 13:43

I figured it out (win7)....ctrl alt delete...Task Manager click Processes ..right click epicscale.exe open file location go back to the windows task manager right click epicscale.exe end process then go back to the file location and delete..epic scale..i got this after updating bit torrent

# 5 Mar 2015, 13:47

i suggest removing as soon as posible didnt know it had installed on my alienware laptop it almost overheated it got very hot i remove rebooted and i could hear the fans kicking in wtf is this shit?

# 5 Mar 2015, 14:30

Phil, Avast makes no difference (I use Avast, and it doesn't trigger any response) because epicscale isn't a virus or even malware as such, just an application. Whether we consider it dubious is irrelevant. It's not blacklisted anywhere..... yet.

# 5 Mar 2015, 14:42

I installed utorrent then the epicscale app appear. It brings pop ups and I can't stop them from showing. I can't even uninstall it from my uninstall programs because its not there. Please what can I do. I'm tired of it. I need it out of my system

# 5 Mar 2015, 15:03

@Emilio - thank you, that worked for me.. well, so far anyway. No more pop-ups of "cannot connect to server".

# 5 Mar 2015, 15:08

I hate EPICSCALE .... I get a pop up every 3 ****** seconds. I never asked to have this shit ..... Alexander you should **** ** **** in shame. You and yr snide company wormed yr way onto my pc and have ****** it up. Shame on you ******!

# 5 Mar 2015, 15:30

@Simon

Simon,

Thanks for telling us about the problems you are having. If you're willing, we'd love to get the technical details of your system and hear about your experiences so we can figure out what's going on. We can offer a $20 Amazon gift card for your time. We can also personally help you remove the software if you wish.

Please email me if interested - quality@epicscale.com

Thank you.

# 5 Mar 2015, 16:01

Thanks Emilio, the nightmare is finished.
1) Ctrl+Alt+Delete
2) Finish the activity with rigth mouse button
3) Look in which folder is (program data but its not visible normallly) and go to this place and delete
4) Game over

# 5 Mar 2015, 16:18

Many thanks just found and deleted EpicScale with freefixer. Others just failed to find it.


Nice and easy...

# 5 Mar 2015, 16:35

Alexander you are an absolute scumbag. May epicscale rot in hell.
I couldn't stop it in task manager (it kept restarting itself) so I went to the startup tab and disabled it on startup. Then restarted the computer. Then I was able to delete the program data as it was no longer running (in use at the time).

# 5 Mar 2015, 17:23

I knew something was off, got random pop-ups a few times yesterday and the day before, and I kept getting the notice from uTorrent about downgrading, ignored it twice, and then I realized something was wrong when my computer was doing other weird sh!t.

Anyway, I'm trying to fix it, but I just opened uTorrent and got a notification that says, "A new stable version of uTorrent 3.4.2 (build 38913) is available...." is this an updated version after the epicscale drama? Or is this the version that includes it? I thought the one that included it was build 28913... should I install then remove epicscale as previous posters have?

Thanks for all the useful advice and heads up here guys

# 5 Mar 2015, 19:32

At least @Alexander is making an effort to help users, I mean if we assume it's not BS...no offense, but I mean I don't know anything about you or your program or company....with that said I am impressed that your actively engaging in the community and feedback. And it's understandable that shit happens you know

Also I was thinking, I'm pretty sure I have uTorrent automatically updated, maybe that's why I personally didn't see it being installed? I dunno about anyone else ...

# 5 Mar 2015, 19:39

@Chris

If you don't want Epic Scale, uninstall it one of the ways I or some of the other people from this thread have mentioned. I'm not sure what goes on with the uTorrent updates nor do I believe the update will remove Epic Scale.

Thanks for the recognition! I'd really like to understand what occurred. Are you saying that you had an old version of uTorrent that you updated, which then installed Epic Scale? Do you mind sharing when you originally installed uTorrent (for the first time?) What was the update process like (did you see any offers for any other software during the update?)

Like I've offered to some others, I can give you a $20 Amazon gift card if you want to discuss all those details and provide some feedback, Chris. Email me - quality@epicscale.com

Thank you.

# 5 Mar 2015, 21:03

I have this shit on my downloading PC. I tried standard uninstall, but it's not visible.

Whatever, use the mechanism tiago described above. That works.

# 6 Mar 2015, 0:15

The clandestine and unauthorized usage of ignoring people's PC resources is criminal and this "charity" should be reported to the authorities.

I suggest abandoning uTorrent completely and switching to Free and Open Source software such as Deluge, qBittorrent or Transmission. None of these have ads or malware and work just as well, if not better than uTorrent.

Please do yourself, your friends and your acquaintances a favor and inform everybody about this. Help or get help to get this piece of shit removed from your computers and make sure nobody is stealing from you.

# 6 Mar 2015, 7:48

I don't have that crapware EpicScale and I'm on the newest uTorrent version 3.4.2

I opted out on everything when I installed... I have uTorrent installed by itself... You just have to be careful and don't rush the install process. Have common sense. Read everything if you have to.

# 6 Mar 2015, 7:53

@Alexander, you should do something about the uTorrent - they are installing you're program without even notifying (let alone asking for permission) the user during update. Haven't seen the install procedure in few years.

@users, you should direct you're complaints toward uTorrent's creator - BitTorrent Inc because they are installing the Epic Scale software without permission and leave Alexander and his team alone because they are not at fault in this case.

@BitTorrent Inc, I'd like to be able to say I'm surprised at you're behavior but unfortunately I'm not. On the other hand I'm very glad that I switched to another client once you started breaking you're promises about uTorrent.

P.S. For everyone still using uTorrent I'd recommend switching to qBittorrent (http://qbittorrent.sourceforge.net/) ASAP, there is also a portable version: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/qbittorrent_portable in my opinion it's the closest thing to what uTorrent was before BitTorrent Inc ruined it.

# 6 Mar 2015, 8:06

It comes with uTorrent and uses your computer as part of a Bitcoin farm to generate revenue for someone other than you, once it's installed, the program will take up CPU cycles, slowing your machine and causing it to burn more power.

# 6 Mar 2015, 8:18

Brand new Windows 8.1 machine, utorrent install, no notice that Epic Scale was going to be installed at all. As this was a work machine but I needed to torrent GIMP I was very careful to ensure no offers were accepted. Epic Scale was not mentioned anywhere. Only noticed it because of the "E" in the system tray. I am guessing that they havent had many complaints because people aren't aware of it.

# 6 Mar 2015, 16:25

For those wondering how was EpicScale installed on your machine.

It's via uTorrent. At first they automatically installed it during their last update, however since changed it so you have the option to decline it, and are now lying about it.

Surely thousands of reddit users cannot be wrong and somehow missed the option during the update. Also yes there are many reddit threads on this, go check the comments for yourself.

There are many other Torrent clients you can use. Please uninstall uTorrent. Their reputation is now 0.

# 6 Mar 2015, 17:32

I also did get the program installed.
Have downloaded Freefixer on this site and got ride of it.
After scanning the disc I found three folders with Epicscale.
Now I dont have any problem with it.
Thanks
Roger for the support.

# 7 Mar 2015, 1:30

epicscale is actually ads that are added to your web browser its a virus u have to remove that virus from regedit and from program data. its very tricky it is added from infected web source or some kind of downloads my Bitdefender added that virus as Trojan Script i hope its helpful 1) delete it from control panel 2) delete it from program data 2) delete it from regedit and then run a full scan hope this was helpful to u

# 7 Mar 2015, 7:08

Just another good reason to lose uTorrent and replace it with Tixati.

# 7 Mar 2015, 17:36

To the commenter calling himself "Nice Try": I share your low opinion of Epic Scale and uTorrent. But as a Jew, I object to your artificial pejorative "***torrent".

# 7 Mar 2015, 18:00

yes, it is certainly a BitCoin miner.
its always send data from your computer to bitcoin servers.

from now i won't use uTorrent

# 7 Mar 2015, 19:01

Alexander,

First of all, I believe you. As a many time entrepreneur, I can attest that it takes a strong stomach and passion for your company to wade through the morass of trolls and naysayers on a website to painstakingly dispel rumors and untruths about your business again and again. Those who are trying to cheat the public don't usually choose a public forum to defend themselves. Social media is incredibly perilous and fraudsters usually either choose not to engage or do so artlessly. I commend you and hope you don't give up the fight.

That having been said, your financial model is sound but your marketing approach is flawed. The idea of 'borrowing' CPU cycles has been around for decades. I remember when SETI implemented it in the 90's the public thought it was an awesome idea to donate dormant CPU time to help find life on other planets. However, SETI made it very clear to users what they were doing and made it completely 'opt-in' and only activated when the user's screensaver went on.

The concept of mining coins for a charitable purpose is intriguing. I can see how it could work but I think installing your software as an adjunct on the back of a dicey program like uTorrent was not well thought out.

The consumer base of uTorrent is not mainstream. Users of torrent software are already hyper-sensitive to malware since everyone knows torrents are rampantly infected with it. Torrenting is a geek-heavy application so many of your users remember being burned from covert ad/spyware installs like Babylon, Candy, et al.

While most users are tech-savvy many are also not, ignorant about the technology they're using. So you're dealing with a fringe element. By definition, torrents are primarily used to steal copyrighted works, so many of these users are morally corrupt. As you've discovered, this group will be louder and proclaim more vehemently that THEIR rights have been trampled than one who customarily pays for things.

Your delivery method needs a rework. If you come at this at the angle SETI used in the 90's, select a more mainstream software program off which to piggyback, and document your charitable giving, I believe you would have a great philanthropic concept.

Imagine an application where people willing donated their (dormant-only) cycles to a particular charity and they were notified (screensaver maybe?) of the particular charity their CPU was supporting each time the application went active.

Summed up: great innovation, flawed execution. I look forward to your 2.0!

Good luck to you.
- Chris

# 8 Mar 2015, 13:32

@Alexander

I am intrigued by how many giftcards you're able to give away at the cost of your company(no doubt); I suppose you're having quite a stash then? Seems rather unfitting as you claim the money goes to charity.

# 9 Mar 2015, 1:39

@Chris

Thank you for your comment - it means a lot to me and the rest of our company.

We were greatly inspired by SETI@home/Folding@home/BOINC. One of the main downfalls we found of these networks was that they were limited in popularity (never -fully- mainsteam) and largely academic. In the case of BOINC, participating required specific technical skills that researchers who needed the compute may not possess. Additionally, by one project growing on the BOINC network they were often taking compute from competing projects. We aim to solve these problems by working directly with research organizations to implement their distributed algorithms. When there is lack of work for the network, relying on cryptocurrency as a baseline mechanism for generating revenue.

We agree we definitely need to improve transparency in a multitude of ways including transparency of charity work and transparency of when we use the CPU/how much and what for (currently there are two modes - screensaver only and a constant %20 CPU as a low priority process in case usage becomes high). Additionally we need to consider our distribution channels and improve how we present ourselves, regardless of the channel, to ensure we have users who are excited to be a part of our network. We're very busy improving Epic Scale from all the feedback we've received.

Thanks again, we'd love to reconnect with you sometime in the future to discuss things further - quality@epicscale.com.


@Andreas
All the gift card money has come out of my personal bank account thus far. The feedback has been very useful in helping us pinpoint how to improve the user experience.

# 9 Mar 2015, 3:00

Good bye uTorrent!

# 9 Mar 2015, 3:53

I want to say ''good bye utorrent''. And guys, do not use bittorrent. They are the same company. qbittorent, transmission, deluge, tixati are good alternatives.

# 9 Mar 2015, 18:15

This article shed some light on Epic Scale

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/200602-utorrent-accused-of-bundling-cryptocurrency-malware-with-popular-bittorrent-client

# 16 Mar 2015, 3:39

Hi All,

My take on this is, I've used uTorrent for many yrs and been very happy. This was a nasty way to screw us over, IF they asked us look guys you use our FREE software, will you PLEASE install this and run for 30mins-2hrs+ per day at YOUR Custom setting for bandwidth/cpu use IF you have unlimited bandwidth fast PCs who would have truly moaned when PC is on doing nothing etc. NOT me as we did in early SETI search times to assist.

Every user would then take a view, allow data mining or pay a $5 user fee, or limited software. NOT underhanded probably illegal ways of installing software that I DID NOT Want/Ask for. My friends do have limited data plans and would be horrified to know they are paying for YOUR Data, not right/fair so EpicScale/UTorrent will forever be on my "Sh*t list". Used uTorrent ever since found it best for my needs, uninstalled soon as I found EpicScale they sneaked onto my PCs, so they are gone DELUGE is my new FREE torrent sware.

F You uTorrent/EpicScale, hope your company dies for this. I WILL tell all my clients/friends/family who trust my word in PCs and we will ALL unistall your products forever...

# 17 Mar 2015, 10:03

uTorrent has become progressively more painful over the years with obtrusive advertisements. The fact that they've now installed a Bitcoin miner without permission makes it clear they're now at the same bottom feeder level as scammers. I've uninstalled uTorrent as a result.

# 19 Mar 2015, 2:17

Norton Internet Security recognizes it as a virus and removes it

# 23 Mar 2015, 13:06

Hello, My antivirus found out that it is a virus, i get constantly messages saying that there are trojans not only one but many, and my antivirus pops ever 30 scs. I already deleted it from control panel, but it still isnt removed and the trojans are getting popped everytime

# 23 Mar 2015, 15:32

How do I remove this please?? It's not showing on my control panel / uninstall a progrma

# 4 Apr 2015, 15:26

I see a lot of replies from Alexander, to whom I'm addressing my message.

I'm currently facing a dilemma: I am indeed one of the "clicked next next next" kind of person at times so I didn't notice when the app was installed. My bad I say. Moving on.

I got no message from my antivirus, no error report from windows, basically I have no problem with your app. I am considering keeping it, guess the charity part got the soft side of me.

I am, however, reluctant as to how exactly the whole process is going down. Sounds more like the Facebook's earn for likes that are magically transformed to charity kind of deal. Can you give me more details as to how exactly this whole business supposedly unfolds?

Thank you dear. n_n

# 13 Apr 2015, 19:05

@Andreea

Thanks for your interest and sorry for a delayed response. The "Facebook likes" stuff is exactly what we are trying to fight. People on the internet often want to help causes and have good intentions but signing petitions and liking posts does very little typically.

Epic Scale actually makes impact. We do this by combining the processing power of idle CPUs, monetizing this, and then donating 75%+ of profits from what we make in profits to charity.

How do we monetize? We monetize in two ways - cryptocurrency mining (direct monetization, cryptocurrency is converted to USD for donation), and use as a platform for scientific research (preferred since we can benefit the world both through charity and through scientific advancement.) You can see some of our listings for scientific work here: https://www.scienceexchange.com/labs/epic-scale

All of this work is done keeping our user's safety, privacy, and user experience as top priorities. We are a small team but are constantly working to improve on all fronts. For example, we listened to the community and are officially out of the uTorrent installer.

If you wish to uninstall ES we have instructions on our website: http://www.epicscale.com/how-to-uninstall-epic-scale

If you wish to keep ES, thank you for helping us! Please email us for any further questions or comments: quality@epicscale.com

# 15 Apr 2015, 11:21

Just so you know regardless of how the crap got installed on a machine if you do it without permission it should a crime and punished by law. NO I do not want to hear your explanation. You installed without permission and snuck it in under another install. This is and should be a crime. U torrent themselves should be fighting and removing it themselves, but they too have become garbage over the years.

# 17 Apr 2015, 7:28

@"Alexander is a Criminal"

We did nothing of the sort. All we agreed to with uTorrent was an advert in their installer with full permission, opt-in only for installation. We would never agree to any sort of silent or secret install, period.

# 17 Apr 2015, 13:58

Hi,

We are conducting the following study "Monitoring and blocking the bittorrent monitoring spies", see the abstract and begining of the study: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/077b114a27450f773939 (and the project http://torrent-live.org, anti-spies, private torrents and dynamic blocklist, if you are interested)

The Epic scale story with selective installation is intringuing, could affected people possibly send us by email to contact at peersm.com (or directly to mine that you can find on github):

- their IP and the port used by their utorrent client
- ideally a zip of the utorrent install of the version installing Epic Scale

Don't worry we are not going to do strange things, we would like to run some tests on the utorrent version of affected people (even if you have removed Epic Scale of course, the tests will not disturb anything for you), you can email us or comment here if you have any question, and possibly get the files of the version that installed Epic Scale (not the installer but what the thing installed on your computer)

Thanks and sorry if this post is not related to freefixer, this is quite strange too that Bittorrent Inc did remove the Epic Scale topic from their forum, we need to find some peers that had the issue.

# 19 Apr 2015, 3:29

Aymeric,

I don't believe uTorrent removed any posts. Here are the two threads regarding Epic Scale:

(original) http://forum.utorrent.com/topic/95041-warning-epicscale-riskware-installed-with-latest-utorrent/

(uTorrent response) http://forum.utorrent.com/topic/95069-epic-scale-offer-on-hold-uninstall-instructions/


If you want to examine Epic Scale you can download it from our site:
http://www.epicscale.com/

If you'd like any further details from us at Epic Scale, feel free to contact me at quality@epicscale.com. We'd love to help you how we can with your study.

# 21 Apr 2015, 22:52

Alexander,

Thanks but for now it's not really Epic Scale that we are studying, we would like to contact some peers that were selected by the uTorrent installer to have Epic Scale installed, in order to run some tests on their uTorrent client.

# 27 Apr 2015, 7:07

I download (well tried) the uninstaller as Alex repeately talked of, but my anti-virus (Vipre) kept on finding a bit of malware and would block it. I then risk allowing that one and got it downloaded.
On execution Vipre again found a piece of malware and blocked/stopped the process.
But it looks like things may have worked some how/anyway, as I cannot find any Epic Scale directories/files on my system and Utorrent no longer drives the processor into the 98% range.
Have I won? Hope so but to say that I'm disappointed in Utorrent would be an understatement.

# 20 Jun 2015, 5:40

Epicscale is installed from utorrent either when u update or downloaded the latest version, its hidden in the instaltion and is used by utorrent to farn bitcoin/litecoins by using everyone elses cpu and power.

# 8 Oct 2015, 23:04

i am interested in such hate-campaign against non-guilty persons or products. see, torrent-sharing free digital information is good, and mining bitcoins/cryptocurrency is good, but not enough qualified wanna-be-internet-businessman sticking to them is not good. this said in primitive form. it is not fair to trow tar on the rolcroyce of torrent-sharing, served many years to millions of users, and it is not fair to describe it so black as it is made after bittorrent purchased it and made anything they want, but obviously not in favor of users. and yes, it is wrong to hide behind the back of titans for profit himself, no publicly accessed writings how much money profited thisway and how much from them donated. this is lack of education, lack of moral, and very unprofessional. such persons make the freedom go away from they who work, suffer or fight for good times for all. again, this is not that mu-torrent is bad or bitcoinmining is wrong, it is the uneducated greedy people hiding behind who makes the shamed acting for expense of all users. and nobody is guilty if the user cannot help himself alone or asking others. but there are solutions - to learn how things work, and to use technologyes for own good and for good of all others. truth makes You free, greedyness anihilates freedom. and ignorance is not bliss in digital worlds. it is illness. be healty!

# 15 Apr 2016, 3:06

This program stealth-installs with peer-to-peer software (and others).

The website is now gone. The creators tried to make people believe they were "philanthropic" in bit-coin mining, but it simply causes nothing but problems.

The software remains hidden in people's machines.

Most of the people who have had epicscale stealth installed onto their computers - it has appeared packaged inside utorrent and simply never been completed removed (hidden REG key).

It is a pain and it is now interfering with windows 10 updates.

Destroy this software immediately.
"SuperAntiSpyware" will recognise one of the .dll's as a threat.

If not, it is hidden in:

programdata\epicscale\0\probe.dll

Good luck removing the software and all reg entries.

www.lmgtfy.com

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